Page 73 says that artillery awareness is blocked by wood, build areas and walls for any unit that is not on the edge of the listed. If you have an infantry unit that is 200 yards from the edge and an artillery unit that is 200 yards outside of the edge of the terrain. This means the infantry can fire at an artillery unit, but that the artillery cannot return fire. is this correct?
This means the infantry can fire at an artillery unit, but that the artillery cannot return fire. is this correct?
Yes. The working design assumption is that the Artillery Battery may be firing (most likely) but isn't able to target the formed bodies of the parent Infantry Battalions, only the skirmish screens which are operating well forward, while those skirmishers are pressuring the Artillery Battery.
-David
Thanks. We are running a couple of games at the Twisted Lords convention in OKC and are going over the rules to make sure we understand them.
Thanks. We are running a couple of games at the Twisted Lords convention in OKC and are going over the rules to make sure we understand them.
No problem! Hope the games go well!
-David
On page 74 it states that awareness of the enemy by artillery is limited to 450 yards in rough terrain and 225 yards in dense terrain. Is this measurement from the artillery stand or from the edge of the embarrassing terrain?
In other words, can an artillery stand 6 inches from the embarrassing terrain fire at a target that is 1 inch inside the edge of the terrain?
Is this measurement from the artillery stand or from the edge of the embarrassing terrain?
I believe you're referencing 8.2.Threat Zone which says: "Awareness into [rough/dense] terrain…" so an Artillery Battery outside the terrain looking in will see into the terrain either 450 or 225 yards depending on if it is rough or dense.
In other words, can an artillery stand 6 inches from the embarrassing terrain fire at a target that is 1 inch inside the edge of the terrain?
Assuming we're using the 1"=150 yard ground scale, 6" would be the maximum range of the Artillery, so no, because the range to the target would be 7". But, if the Artillery was say 4-5" from the terrain and the target was 1" inside the terrain (rough or dense), yes.
-David
Clarifying: Page 73 section 8.2 Threat Zone, it says, “Walls, fortifications, build-up areas and wood completely block awareness to targets not directly adjacent to the obstructing terrain.”
This means an artillery battery that is 400 yards from the edge if a walls, fortifications, build-up areas or wood cannot fire at a unit that is 50 yards behind the edge of one of the above terrain features. However, the unit can fire at the artillery battery, unless that unit is also an artillery battery.
Is this the correct interpretation?
Clarifying: Page 73 section 8.2 Threat Zone, it says, “Walls, fortifications, build-up areas and wood completely block awareness to targets not directly adjacent to the obstructing terrain.”
Sure. Good point to clarify (this may be a good one to add to our errata).
This means an artillery battery that is 400 yards from the edge if a walls, fortifications, build-up areas or wood cannot fire at a unit that is 50 yards behind the edge of one of the above terrain features. However, the unit can fire at the artillery battery, unless that unit is also an artillery battery.
Is this the correct interpretation?
Yes… but I should probably specify/clarify something key with a couple functional examples.
TL;DR: Basically Artillery can't Threaten *across* these terrain types at targets that aren't adjacent to the terrain.
Example #1: An Artillery Battery opposing an enemy Infantry Battalion that is directly adjacent to a city wall (think Dresden, Smolensk, Pultusk, etc…) will Threaten that Infantry Battalion via bombardment (and the Infantry Battalion will Threaten it in return via skirmishers).
But if that Infantry Battalion falls back away from the wall, their skirmishers will still go out and Threaten the Artillery Battery, but the Artillery Battery won't be able to Threaten the Infantry Battalion because it is assumed not to be exposed.
Example #2: Example #1 except replace "walls" with "fortifications". NOTE: There are *lots* of different types of fortifications and there are some that a scenario designer should say "these are too low or light or otherwise inconsequential not to block artillery fire that crosses them to targets on the far side", that's the scenario designer's prerogative.
Example #3: An Artillery Battery opposing an enemy Infantry Battalion that is outside of but directly adjacent to a build-up-area will Threaten that Infantry Battalion with bombardment presuming that the 225 yard (dense) or 450 yard (rough) distance is met, and the Infantry Battalion will Threaten the Artillery Battery right back with skirmishers.
But if that Infantry Battalion falls back away from the built-up-area, their skirmishers will still go out through the build-up-area and Threaten the Artillery Battery, but the Artillery Battery won't be able to Threaten the Infantry Battalion because it is assumed that even if the intervening built-up-area is narrower than the 225/450 yard distance, it is assumed the Artillery Battery can't fire through it to targets on the other side (unless they are adjacent as indicated above).
Example #4: Example #3 except replace "built-up-area" with "woods".
Hope that helps!
EDIT: Fixed rough/dense typo.
-David
Yes, thanks.
You do have a typo. It should say 225 yards (dense) or 450 yards (rough)
You do have a typo. It should say 225 yards (dense) or 450 yards (rough)
Thank you! Fixed.
-David
When a limbered artillery piece is attacked, you roll a d6 and it is either destroyed or routs to the reformation area. Is this roll made before threat is determined or after. On the reference card, it is listed after. If the roll is made before, can the attacking unit continue its move to attack another unit?
When a limbered artillery piece is attacked, you roll a d6 and it is either destroyed or routs to the reformation area. Is this roll made before threat is determined or after. On the reference card, it is listed after. If the roll is made before, can the attacking unit continue its move to attack another unit?
After, as indicated by the order on The Quick Reference Guide's Threat Table, the roll is made after. The importance of this is that the Threat from the enemy Unit(s) that contacted the limbered Artillery Battery is factored in against the target parent Formation.
-David
Thanks.
in Section 8.2 Threat Zone, last paragraph, "Awareness into dense terrain and built-up-areas is limited to 225 yards. Walls, fortifications, built-up-areas, and woods completely block awareness to targets not directly adjacent to the obstructing terrain.
For built-up-areas which is it? By above it seems to be the second sentence. But the first sentence is saying 225 yards.
And to clarify, if my artillery is within 900 yards of a target in dense terrain (not woods, or BUAs etc.) and the target is 200 yards into the terrain, the artillery can fire at it?
Lloyd
Awareness into dense terrain and built-up-areas is limited to 225 yards.
This is correct. Artillery can't see more than 225 yards into a built-up-area.
built-up-areas … completely block awareness to targets not directly adjacent to the obstructing terrain.
This is also correct.
This is speaking to seeing a target on the far side of the built-up-area.
Built-up-areas can (at least theoretically from a design perspective) be nearly any depth. So, even if a built-up-area is <225 yards deep in a given area, the Artillery can't see and therefore will not Threaten a target on the far side of the built-up-area unless that target is directly adjacent to the built-up-area.
That make sense?
And to clarify, if my artillery is within 900 yards of a target in dense terrain (not woods, or BUAs etc.) and the target is 200 yards into the terrain, the artillery can fire at it?
Yes.
-David
